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Germany Bernd 2022-01-27 20:20:16 ⋅ 2y No. 133554
I'm trying to get into supplements. One thing that annoys me to no end is that most available products mix all kinds of stuff together. I have a pretty good idea what I want to take and what not. I have a cheap multivitamin with some essential minerals that covers the baseline of what everyone should take just to be safe. Then I want to add some collagen for joint health and muscle growth, but all products that are easily available to me are beauty products for women or joint supplements for old people that not only contain collagen but also a bunch of other shit that's either scientifically proven to be useless, not for me or another dose of vitamins, even though I already get them from my multivitamin. I don't want to waste money or take triple the recommended dose. Similar with protein powder. I saw some cheap vanilla flavoured protein powder at the grocery store and decided to try it out without looking at it more closely. That was a mistake. Since it is pea protein it is marketed for vegans and has a bunch of shit added that vegans usually don't get from food. I'm not a vegan. But even if I were this would be annoying since I wouldn't want to take my other micronutrients with the protein powder.
Slovenia Bernd 2022-01-27 21:17:51 ⋅ 2y No. 133558
>>133554 >supplements I get the idea of sourcing purified/refined single components, but as you already noted salesmen tend not to sell that. And actual single biochemicals can get really expensive. I get the feeling the main reason why supplement salesmen don't like selling single active ingredients is exactly because of silly laws and regulations regarding sourcing such substances for actual biochemical labs, and to avoid having to file paperworks on purity of their products (which they probably can't reach anyway), they rather just mix shit together and sell like that. So. What I want to say is, I'm much more oriented towards finding easily procurable sources that contain what you want: e.g. want collagen? Skin and tendons will thicken your sauces with it (and also taste good). Just build your lifestyle around optimising what you can get from what's already around you.
California Bernd 2022-01-27 21:39:42 ⋅ 2y No. 133563
>>133554 Supplements are a waste of money, because most people living in the developed world get everything they need from their diet (unless they have weird eating patters like vegans). The only thing that most first-worlders are deficient in are iodine (because of fluoridated water and lack of salt). I put a drop of iodine in my water bottle once every couple of days because I don't eat enough iodine rich foods.
Slovenia Bernd 2022-01-27 22:02:03 ⋅ 2y No. 133566
>>133563 Meh, it depends. You do get enough from your diet for normal lifestyle, yes, but for specific training regimens, you might want to up your stakes a bit. And then there's also some weird specific effects you can get from overdosing, e.g. niacin flush (to get superhuman blood circulation)
Germany Bernd 2022-01-27 22:13:48 ⋅ 2y No. 133567
>>133563 That's just not true, although it is a popular talking point. There are a bunch of studies that justify my desire to supplement certain things and my doctor said it might be a good idea, too. Just to give one example: The majority of people in the developed world are deficient in vitamin d. This was sometimes in the news during the pandemic and you might have heard about it.
Slovenia Bernd 2022-01-27 22:23:50 ⋅ 2y No. 133571
>>133567 B12 deficiency is also fairly common, but that one actually is caused primarily by memegeterian and adjacent diets Tho I'm not sure if D should count, given that the major source of D is supposed to be biosynthesis and not dietary (same as cholesterol)
Germany Bernd 2022-01-27 23:25:05 ⋅ 2y No. 133574
California Bernd 2022-01-28 03:27:07 ⋅ 2y No. 133581
>>133566 Whey supplements are good if you don't already have enough protein in your diet and don't have time to prepare protein heavy foods such as legumes or meat. >>133567 >>133571 if you have white skin and go outside often, you don't need Vit D. Northern Europeans evolved white skin to get Vit D naturally. The reason why Eskimos are yellow and Nords are white is because eskimos lived by the sea and ate lots of fish (which was rich with vitamin D) while Nords lived inland and had to get Vit D from the sun. Selection pressure meant that continental europeans evolved to get Vit D on their own. If you have an office / WFH job, then vit d might be necessary, but if you go outside frequently it is unnecessary.
Finland Bernd 2022-01-28 09:56:53 ⋅ 2y No. 133608
The best supplements for a 28+ yo to take are NMN and Resveratrol They help combat the cell degradation that causes biological aging
Germany Bernd 2022-01-28 10:03:14 ⋅ 2y No. 133612
>>133608 how is this not scam? nothing seems easier than making money by selling anti aging pills without proof that they work
Finland Bernd 2022-01-28 13:26:43 ⋅ 2y No. 133660
>>133612 The effectiveness of NMN and its derivative NAD+ in countering cell degredation absolutely is backed up by science
Germany Bernd 2022-01-28 13:46:17 ⋅ 2y No. 133664
>>133608 >>133660 This Dr. Rhonda makes things always a bit too complicated for my low iq self.
Finland Bernd 2022-01-28 14:14:31 ⋅ 2y No. 133679
>>133664 Aging (in the post 25 yo sense) is cell degradation due to dna damage There are enzymes in the body called sirtuins that work to counter dna damage and allow cells to remain healthy for a greater number of cell divisions NMN converts to NAD+ in the body. NAD+ a nutrient that is needed by the sirtuins to function, but the body's reserves of it get depleted as you age, making it useful to take it as a supplement
Germany Bernd 2022-01-28 17:09:28 ⋅ 2y No. 133700
>>133679 Where do I get these supplements?
Finland Bernd 2022-01-28 17:19:38 ⋅ 2y No. 133701
>>133700 amazon maybe some supplement stores resveratrol can also be obtained from red grapes, but NMN is more potent and more important
Slovenia Bernd 2022-01-28 17:49:15 ⋅ 2y No. 133713
>>133608 >>133679 Panicking about aging is major cringe. Your body is here for you to spend it.
Germany Bernd 2022-01-28 19:17:32 ⋅ 2y No. 133738
>>133713 How is making sure your body stays healthy for as long as possible "panicking over aging"? By that logic you could also drink and smoke everyday.
Germany Bernd 2022-01-28 19:19:00 ⋅ 2y No. 133739
>>133701 I'll try to eat lots of broccoli and drink red grape juice.
Slovenia Bernd 2022-01-28 20:43:38 ⋅ 2y No. 133752
>>133738 >By that logic you could also drink and smoke everyday. yes, exactly to die while having liver and lung still intact is a waste of liver and lung of course, keep some moderation - don't waste one organ way too early, that'd be a waste of all other organs
Germany Bernd 2022-01-28 20:45:25 ⋅ 2y No. 133755
>>133752 Retard logic. Why cripple yourself at a certain age when you could still live life?
Slovenia Bernd 2022-01-28 20:48:12 ⋅ 2y No. 133757
>>133755 >cripple Who said anything about "crippling yourself"? I'm only warning against oversaving your body to the point you could have had your body take much more, and regretting it in the end, since the one thing you can't control is - your heart will still go weaker with time from constant use.
Germany Bernd 2022-01-28 21:04:09 ⋅ 2y No. 133763
>>133757 You're arguing in favour of destroying it prematurely.
Slovenia Bernd 2022-01-28 22:13:50 ⋅ 2y No. 133764
>>133763 No, I am in favour of destroying it right on time.
Oulu Bernd 2022-02-09 13:02:44 ⋅ 2y No. 135399
>>133554 Wow, after taking all those supplements your piss must be really expensive. I don't really want to go into those supplement shits. Nutrition is the most controversial area in science and tbh I have never ever seen a healthy person who pops those pills. Usually they are people who have fallen under some multi-level-marketing scam. I only follow Pentti Linkola's guide to nutrition. "If you don't eat you will die, if you eat you will live. As a clarification it should be said that particles that hurt your teeth and gut, like nails and glass shards, should be avoided"
Oulu Bernd 2022-02-09 13:03:20 ⋅ 2y No. 135400
>>133752 I like your way of thinking.
Germany Bernd 2022-02-09 13:09:00 ⋅ 2y No. 135401
>>135399 >Wow, after taking all those supplements your piss must be really expensive. Multivitamin is like 2€/month.
Finland Bernd 2022-02-09 13:22:58 ⋅ 2y No. 135403
During the Corona habbenings of early 2020 when the tale of the town was that Corona had like 10% mortality rate i bought like 20kg of whey protein powder, as it's the most optimal survival food. Whey protein + multivitamin pills + seed oil + some salt, and you won't be dying or even being that unhealthy. It will taste like shit and you will be kinda miserable, but technically it's enough to keep you alive and going. Now they are all expiring. >Whey protein + multivitamin pills + seed oil + some salt, and you won't be dying or even being that unhealthy. By this i mean you won't be having any immediate medical conditions due to deficits. It's not "healthy eating" in the long run, as those seed oils are pretty much 100% saturated fat, but if it's the apocalypse, you'll be doing pretty fine.
Oulu Bernd 2022-02-09 17:35:03 ⋅ 2y No. 135523
>>135401 And it's all going to be in your piss pretty soon.
Hungary Bernd 2022-02-09 18:08:32 ⋅ 2y No. 135528
>>135403 >+ some salt (Whey) protein supplements have loads of sodium. Huge amount. It isn't on the label among the ingredients, because it isn't added into the powder but it is a byproduct of the production process. High sodium is useful for the producers, because it keeps the water in the muscle tissue causing them to look more puffy, and the bodybuilders (who are/were the main target audience) see a quicker muscle "growth". This information comes from a study which tested over 100 protein supplements, and checked if the ingredient labels are true. Somewhere I have it dl'd, I had links, but this was in ~2013, so most likely I can't give exact source now.
Germany Bernd 2022-02-09 18:28:43 ⋅ 2y No. 135532
>>133554 > I'm trying to get into supplements. Try getting the supplements into you, that should be cheaper, easier and more effective.
Italy Bernd 2022-02-09 18:40:13 ⋅ 2y No. 135533
>>135532 Nice.
Germany Bernd 2022-02-09 19:45:20 ⋅ 2y No. 135538
>>135523 Are you a medical doctor?
Oulu Bernd 2022-02-09 22:42:03 ⋅ 2y No. 135643
>>135538 Yes. And even a 80 IQ can tell you that water soluble nutrients are going to go into your piss.
Germany Bernd 2022-02-09 22:44:20 ⋅ 2y No. 135644
>>135643 ...if they're not used elsewhere in your body, yes. It's not a bad idea to supplement those. They're cheap as fuck, do no harm and there are some cases where it might be a good idea to take them. Worst thing that happens I drank a tasty drink without any additional benefits.
Slovenia Bernd 2022-02-09 22:44:24 ⋅ 2y No. 135645
>>135643 just drink your own piss then :DD problmes werent
Ukraine Bernd 2022-02-14 18:28:16 ⋅ 2y No. 136612
>>133554 when i was taking bcca mixed with vits then i wasnt feel wish to consuming my vit-minerl pills, then when bcca was consumed all then i switched to vita-minerl pills. it is just having both home without needing visit shop often
Moscow Bernd 2022-04-22 09:26:39 ⋅ 2y No. 146804
>>133554 Buy a "for week" pillboxes with 7 compartments. Put your individual mix there. Simpul.
United States Bernd 2022-07-15 13:43:46 ⋅ 2y No. 198450
Fitness & Health Here
Germany Bernd 2022-08-01 21:51:41 ⋅ 1y No. 205683
You will find dozens of vendors on amerzon that sell you 100% collagen powder. I bet the same market where you bought the pea brotein also sold whey for cheaper. Whey is the most widespread.
Finland Bernd 2023-11-10 16:37:53 ⋅ 8mn No. 293299
>>133608 Where do you get your NMN? I'm curious about this supplement but it seems to be hard to get in EU. Is it even legal or does the customs steal it?