Bernd
2022-02-05 17:55:41 ⋅ 1y
No. 134920
I have a question for German bernds. Is that true that a civilian can't enroll a military university to become a Bundeswehr officer? I.e. you have to enlist as private, serve some years as a grunt, may be get an NCO rank, and only then you'd be suitable for becoming an officer candidate?
Bernd
2022-02-13 05:13:35 ⋅ 1y
No. 136247
German bernds, pls respond.
Bernd
2022-02-13 08:12:06 ⋅ 1y
No. 136260
>>134920
>Is that true that a civilian can't enroll a military university to become a Bundeswehr officer? I.e. you have to enlist as private, serve some years as a grunt, may be get an NCO rank, and only then you'd be suitable for becoming an officer candidate?
Not that I know. It might be possible that you need to do some 'basic military service'.
Ok, I just looked it up: When you start your officer career at the Bundeswehr you are gonna do a 'basic one year military training' (at a officer's school, so the plebs are somewhere else I guess) and then you start to study at one of the two Bundeswehr universities (Munich and Hamburg)
Have a look here for further information: https://www.einstellungstest-bundeswehr.de/bundeswehr-karriere/bundeswehr-studium/
Bernd
2022-02-13 08:18:47 ⋅ 1y
No. 136263
>>136260
>you are gonna do a 'basic one year military training' (at a officer's school
Oh, so it's basically the same as everywhere else.
I think the idea that every officer is required to start as a private is an interesting one. No idea how feasible it is on practice though - probably not very much (for some reason), since no one seems to use it.
Bernd
2022-02-13 08:18:54 ⋅ 1y
No. 136264
>>136260
What I wanted to imply is that you, for example, finish school and can apply for a 'Offizierslaufbahn/Studium' there like with any other non-military university
Bernd
2022-02-13 08:22:54 ⋅ 1y
No. 136266
>>136263
>I think the idea that every officer is required to start as a private is an interesting one. No idea how feasible it is on practice though - probably not very much (for some reason), since no one seems to use it.
Imagine some IT Bernd robbing through mud for years to be finally able to apply for the cyberwar squad to then bei paid way less than working at a civilian, private sector company and without all the dirty stuff. Or female doctors etc. They would have huge recruitment problems I guess
Bernd
2022-02-13 08:30:21 ⋅ 1y
No. 136268
>>136266
Well, first of all I believe that technical specialists in narrow fields shouldn't even be officers de jure. There should be a separate rank ladder for them - like warrant officers in US army, military experts in Singapore or medical officers in Germany.
But for a combat officer that would command people on the battlefield - yeah, I think starting as a private and rising through squad command to a platoon XO to finally becoming a lieutenant and commanding your own platoon would be more preferable than just jumping straight to commanding a platoon.
(Then there's should be a rank ladder for NCOs who'd rather stay as experienced NCOs then becoming officers.)
Bernd
2022-02-13 08:31:10 ⋅ 1y
No. 136269
>>136263
that is how it has always been here though
but maybe that system will be ditched when we move to a fully brofessional military
Bernd
2022-02-13 08:32:30 ⋅ 1y
No. 136271
>>136269
>maybe that system will be ditched when we move to a fully brofessional military
Well damn, I'm interested in fully professional armies.
Bernd
2022-02-13 08:39:11 ⋅ 1y
No. 136273
>>136271
>>136269
Aren't we heading there? Germany abolished the mandatory military service for men in 2010. I can't imagine this thing ever coming back again. It seems outdated and not compatible to the ways wars are fought nowadays I guess? Needing hundred of thousands (in other times) fulltime civilians being able to handle a weapon kind of well and not like a retard.
Bernd
2022-02-13 08:50:44 ⋅ 1y
No. 136274
>>136273
Even we (RF) are heading there (albeit very slowly). I think the right way for modern times is a relatively compact fully professional army + a "well regulated militia" of armed citizens, that would act as law and order keepers in times of war, and as insurgents/shadow government backbone in an event of state losing a war and being occupied.
Bernd
2022-02-13 09:00:44 ⋅ 1y
No. 136275
>>136274
>and as insurgents/shadow government backbone in an event of state losing a war and being occupied.
no way modern germany could handle that haha
Bernd
2022-02-13 12:09:00 ⋅ 1y
No. 136289
>>136263
>I think the idea that every officer is required to start as a private is an interesting one.
Israel does that. They seem happy enough with it.
Bernd
2022-02-13 12:26:56 ⋅ 1y
No. 136292
>>136289
Nope, they too have a separate officers school.
>It all starts at the recruits’ first call-up, where soldiers are tested to gauge their abilities and determine their best placement. Those who do well on these tests can move on to officers’ course. ... Once cadets are accepted to the course, the real work begins. The officers course takes place at the IDF Officers Training School, or Bahad 1, which is in Mitzpe Ramon, in southern Israel.
Bernd
2022-02-13 14:23:04 ⋅ 1y
No. 136312
>>136273
Universal military service is historically a bit of a fluke too. In Europe it hasn't been a thing since old Roman Republic days until Napoleon decided to just flood the rest of Europe with grunts. Imperial armies were pros and foreign auxiliaries, high medieval armies were special military class, and early modern armies (as well as medieval Italian armies) were mercenary bands.
Bernd
2022-02-14 17:23:09 ⋅ 1y
No. 136584
>>136312
The Roman Republic didn't have universal mili service, they conscripted only those nibbas whomth they thought were the best suited for service
Bernd
2022-02-14 17:29:28 ⋅ 1y
No. 136588
>>136584
Well you get what I mean, in pre-Marian system every single Roman citizen was conscriptable at politicians' will.
But there was no mandatory boot camp. You only received training when a campaign was actually called. So in times of peace you could avoid conscription.
Now in say Athens, however, everyone had 2 years of military training.
Bernd
2022-06-09 05:55:34 ⋅ 1y
No. 165569
>>136312
>high medieval armies were special military class
No, there were also men at arms and peasant soldiers etc.
But not much is known about them.